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 Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 8:58 pm Post subject: Aaron Fike back in NASCAR |
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| ESPN is reporting that NASCAR has reinstated Aaron Fike from his drug suspension. It's been a little over 5 years since he got caught doing heroin. He's still young (turns 30 this year) so he may make it back to some level in NASCAR. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 9:03 pm Post subject: |
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| Did it say in the report why it took 5 years to get reinstated? |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:17 pm Post subject: |
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| Also making sure he completed his probabtion probably was a determining factor. With what he got caught doing and the fact he admitted racing while high, I'm amazed NASCAR reinstated him. |
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 10:59 pm Post subject: |
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| Sounds a lot like NASCAR trying to prove the point that going through the road to recovery program will get you back in. Wonder why they would want to do that. |
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WALLYDOG007
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| Posted: Tue Aug 21, 2012 11:25 pm Post subject: |
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| Hesco wrote: | | Sounds a lot like NASCAR trying to prove the point that going through the road to recovery program will get you back in. Wonder why they would want to do that. |
Prove the system works? |
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Papadoc
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 5:55 am Post subject: |
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| WALLYDOG007 wrote: | | Hesco wrote: | | Sounds a lot like NASCAR trying to prove the point that going through the road to recovery program will get you back in. Wonder why they would want to do that. |
Prove the system works? |
Exactly. So when AJ Allmendinger isn't racing in a month, they have someone to point to. Plus there are so few true recovery stories-
Shane Hmiel- never allowed back in Nascar
Tyler Walker- never allowed back in Nascar
Jeremy Mayfield- never allowed back in Nascar
Kevin Grubb- dead
Maybe they just wanted to prove that the system does work when used properly. To his own admission, the guy was using for a long time after losing nascar privileges and has no intentions to race again. |
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JPM42fan
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 12:27 pm Post subject: |
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| Just because he completes the program doesn't mean he will get a ride, and I think the same will be true for Allmendinger. Remember, Hmiel did come back and did have a somewhat quality ride in the Busch Series. If Allmendinger completes the program(which NASCAR says he started) I could very easily see him getting a decent NWS ride. |
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gemcric
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 2:50 pm Post subject: |
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| IIRC, Grubb was reinstated after two years then failed a random test. |
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waylandcool
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:51 pm Post subject: |
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| JPM42fan wrote: | | Just because he completes the program doesn't mean he will get a ride, and I think the same will be true for Allmendinger. Remember, Hmiel did come back and did have a somewhat quality ride in the Busch Series. If Allmendinger completes the program(which NASCAR says he started) I could very easily see him getting a decent NWS ride. |
Hmiel got through it and back into NASCAR before getting himself tossed out again.
Brian Rose also got suspended in 2003 for failing to take a drug test. He was reinstated in 2010 and qualified for a Truck race in 2010 at Kansas. |
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waylandcool
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 9:55 pm Post subject: |
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| Papadoc wrote: | | WALLYDOG007 wrote: | | Hesco wrote: | | Sounds a lot like NASCAR trying to prove the point that going through the road to recovery program will get you back in. Wonder why they would want to do that. |
Prove the system works? |
Exactly. So when AJ Allmendinger isn't racing in a month, they have someone to point to. Plus there are so few true recovery stories-
Shane Hmiel- never allowed back in Nascar
Tyler Walker- never allowed back in Nascar
Jeremy Mayfield- never allowed back in Nascar
Kevin Grubb- dead
Maybe they just wanted to prove that the system does work when used properly. To his own admission, the guy was using for a long time after losing nascar privileges and has no intentions to race again. |
According to his Wikipedia page, Aaron has been running USAC midgets (just like Shane Hmiel was when he got injured) up in Wisconsin. He may still be racing and wants to at least get back into NASCAR to prove a point. |
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Papadoc
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| Posted: Wed Aug 22, 2012 11:35 pm Post subject: |
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| waylandcool wrote: | | Papadoc wrote: | | WALLYDOG007 wrote: | | Hesco wrote: | | Sounds a lot like NASCAR trying to prove the point that going through the road to recovery program will get you back in. Wonder why they would want to do that. |
Prove the system works? |
Exactly. So when AJ Allmendinger isn't racing in a month, they have someone to point to. Plus there are so few true recovery stories-
Shane Hmiel- never allowed back in Nascar
Tyler Walker- never allowed back in Nascar
Jeremy Mayfield- never allowed back in Nascar
Kevin Grubb- dead
Maybe they just wanted to prove that the system does work when used properly. To his own admission, the guy was using for a long time after losing nascar privileges and has no intentions to race again. |
According to his Wikipedia page, Aaron has been running USAC midgets (just like Shane Hmiel was when he got injured) up in Wisconsin. He may still be racing and wants to at least get back into NASCAR to prove a point. |
The article said he has no intentions of using the license. |
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waylandcool
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:10 am Post subject: |
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| Papadoc wrote: | | waylandcool wrote: | | Papadoc wrote: | | WALLYDOG007 wrote: | | Hesco wrote: | | Sounds a lot like NASCAR trying to prove the point that going through the road to recovery program will get you back in. Wonder why they would want to do that. |
Prove the system works? |
Exactly. So when AJ Allmendinger isn't racing in a month, they have someone to point to. Plus there are so few true recovery stories-
Shane Hmiel- never allowed back in Nascar
Tyler Walker- never allowed back in Nascar
Jeremy Mayfield- never allowed back in Nascar
Kevin Grubb- dead
Maybe they just wanted to prove that the system does work when used properly. To his own admission, the guy was using for a long time after losing nascar privileges and has no intentions to race again. |
According to his Wikipedia page, Aaron has been running USAC midgets (just like Shane Hmiel was when he got injured) up in Wisconsin. He may still be racing and wants to at least get back into NASCAR to prove a point. |
The article said he has no intentions of using the license. |
Not saying I don't believe you, but where did you read that? I checked the articles on ESPN.com and Yahoo and his Wiki page before posting and I didn't see it. |
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JPM42fan
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:13 am Post subject: |
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| waylandcool wrote: | | JPM42fan wrote: | | Just because he completes the program doesn't mean he will get a ride, and I think the same will be true for Allmendinger. Remember, Hmiel did come back and did have a somewhat quality ride in the Busch Series. If Allmendinger completes the program(which NASCAR says he started) I could very easily see him getting a decent NWS ride. |
Hmiel got through it and back into NASCAR before getting himself tossed out again.
Brian Rose also got suspended in 2003 for failing to take a drug test. He was reinstated in 2010 and qualified for a Truck race in 2010 at Kansas. |
Are you implying that Allmendinger won't get a chance because of Hmiel? I think that each driver should get a second chance and I see no reason why Allmendinger is any different. |
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waylandcool
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:16 am Post subject: |
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| waylandcool wrote: | | Papadoc wrote: | | waylandcool wrote: | | Papadoc wrote: | | WALLYDOG007 wrote: | | Hesco wrote: | | Sounds a lot like NASCAR trying to prove the point that going through the road to recovery program will get you back in. Wonder why they would want to do that. |
Prove the system works? |
Exactly. So when AJ Allmendinger isn't racing in a month, they have someone to point to. Plus there are so few true recovery stories-
Shane Hmiel- never allowed back in Nascar
Tyler Walker- never allowed back in Nascar
Jeremy Mayfield- never allowed back in Nascar
Kevin Grubb- dead
Maybe they just wanted to prove that the system does work when used properly. To his own admission, the guy was using for a long time after losing nascar privileges and has no intentions to race again. |
According to his Wikipedia page, Aaron has been running USAC midgets (just like Shane Hmiel was when he got injured) up in Wisconsin. He may still be racing and wants to at least get back into NASCAR to prove a point. |
The article said he has no intentions of using the license. |
Not saying I don't believe you, but where did you read that? I checked the articles on ESPN.com and Yahoo and his Wiki page before posting and I didn't see it. |
Ok, I found it. In the NASCAR.com article it says he has no intent to return to NASCAR at this time. Could happen, could not happen. Only time will tell. |
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muswp1
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:23 am Post subject: |
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| JPM42fan wrote: | | waylandcool wrote: | | JPM42fan wrote: | | Just because he completes the program doesn't mean he will get a ride, and I think the same will be true for Allmendinger. Remember, Hmiel did come back and did have a somewhat quality ride in the Busch Series. If Allmendinger completes the program(which NASCAR says he started) I could very easily see him getting a decent NWS ride. |
Hmiel got through it and back into NASCAR before getting himself tossed out again.
Brian Rose also got suspended in 2003 for failing to take a drug test. He was reinstated in 2010 and qualified for a Truck race in 2010 at Kansas. |
Are you implying that Allmendinger won't get a chance because of Hmiel? I think that each driver should get a second chance and I see no reason why Allmendinger is any different. |
No I think he's saying Hmiel got a second chance, but was found in violation a second time. I think Allmendinger will get a ride if he wants to come back, but his chances of getting a ride like the one he had with Penske is slim. If he can't get a decent NASCAR ride, I can see him getting a IndyCar ride or sports car ride pretty quickly. |
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Rob T
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 2:32 am Post subject: |
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Guys I have one request, this is a legitimate topic, but please show respect here. Let's not forget that Steve Hmiel is one of our members. While Shane's past is a topic of discussion to the topic it is personal for the family. We have lost some important people here because of comments made about drivers. Please think about it.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:06 am Post subject: |
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| muswp1 wrote: | | JPM42fan wrote: | | waylandcool wrote: | | JPM42fan wrote: | | Just because he completes the program doesn't mean he will get a ride, and I think the same will be true for Allmendinger. Remember, Hmiel did come back and did have a somewhat quality ride in the Busch Series. If Allmendinger completes the program(which NASCAR says he started) I could very easily see him getting a decent NWS ride. |
Hmiel got through it and back into NASCAR before getting himself tossed out again.
Brian Rose also got suspended in 2003 for failing to take a drug test. He was reinstated in 2010 and qualified for a Truck race in 2010 at Kansas. |
Are you implying that Allmendinger won't get a chance because of Hmiel? I think that each driver should get a second chance and I see no reason why Allmendinger is any different. |
No I think he's saying Hmiel got a second chance, but was found in violation a second time. I think Allmendinger will get a ride if he wants to come back, but his chances of getting a ride like the one he had with Penske is slim. If he can't get a decent NASCAR ride, I can see him getting a IndyCar ride or sports car ride pretty quickly. |
Thanks for clearing it up, I think I mistyped what I meant to say which cause the confusion.
My first point on Fike was that just completing the program does not gurantee a ride and a ride won't be waiting for Allmendinger when he gets out he will have to earn it.
My second point(which was the same point that was made back), was that I think a quality NWS ride will be there for Allmendinger when he gets back. Hmeil came back to drive for a top tier NBS team(Braun Racing which is now Turner Motorsports). I think he would be a good story if he wouldn't have failed the test at Dover or even later when he had the bad accident in the USAC series. If you look at how well he transitioned over(to USAC) I think he could be competing in the IICS and having a transition much like Bryan Clauson. |
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| Rob T wrote: | Guys I have one request, this is a legitimate topic, but please show respect here. Let's not forget that Steve Hmiel is one of our members. While Shane's past is a topic of discussion to the topic it is personal for the family. We have lost some important people here because of comments made about drivers. Please think about it.
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And anyone who has followed Shane knows that he is a superhero without a cape. What he has accomplished since his accident is completely unbelievable. It is beyond belief how far he has come. |
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 3:42 pm Post subject: |
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| JPM42fan wrote: | | waylandcool wrote: | | JPM42fan wrote: | | Just because he completes the program doesn't mean he will get a ride, and I think the same will be true for Allmendinger. Remember, Hmiel did come back and did have a somewhat quality ride in the Busch Series. If Allmendinger completes the program(which NASCAR says he started) I could very easily see him getting a decent NWS ride. |
Hmiel got through it and back into NASCAR before getting himself tossed out again.
Brian Rose also got suspended in 2003 for failing to take a drug test. He was reinstated in 2010 and qualified for a Truck race in 2010 at Kansas. |
Are you implying that Allmendinger won't get a chance because of Hmiel? I think that each driver should get a second chance and I see no reason why Allmendinger is any different. |
I probably could have phrased that better. What I was saying was that Shane Hmiel got reinstated and then got suspended again for failing another drug test and then failed another one after that. He got the message after that and from what I read got clean and stayed clean until the USAC accident ended his career (and just about killed him). AJ will get a second chance just like Shane did and I hope he gets it through his head after one suspension that he needs to clean up his act. |
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the guy who owns the team AJ won Daytona this year with in the sports car series...I forget his name at the moment...has already stated that as soon as AJ is cleared to drive, he will have a ride for him if he wants it.
AJ has to complete NASCAR's program first, because the sports car series is a NASCAR division.
I didn't see this coming, (Fike being reinstated). I seem to recall at the time that it was a lifetime ban. I guess that doesn't mean too much, none of NASCAR's lifetime bans have lasted more than 6 years so far.
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| Michael Shank Racing. I believe he has interest in an Indy Car team as well. I think AJ has something offered to him in the ALMS also |
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| Billy Kingsley wrote: | the guy who owns the team AJ won Daytona this year with in the sports car series...I forget his name at the moment...has already stated that as soon as AJ is cleared to drive, he will have a ride for him if he wants it.
AJ has to complete NASCAR's program first, because the sports car series is a NASCAR division.
I didn't see this coming, (Fike being reinstated). I seem to recall at the time that it was a lifetime ban. I guess that doesn't mean too much, none of NASCAR's lifetime bans have lasted more than 6 years so far. |
Well, if a guy can get it together and keep it clean long enough and prove that he has gotten the monkey off his back.
Why not give him a second chance!
I'm sure most people feel that way.
Of course it is the owners and most of all the sponsors that will make that final call as to whether or not they do get back in.
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| Posted: Thu Aug 23, 2012 10:29 pm Post subject: |
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| Rob T wrote: | Guys I have one request, this is a legitimate topic, but please show respect here. Let's not forget that Steve Hmiel is one of our members. While Shane's past is a topic of discussion to the topic it is personal for the family. We have lost some important people here because of comments made about drivers. Please think about it.
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I have no problems being respectful of Shane, I was just stating the facts.
BTW, did a mod rewrite my post's first sentence? That's not what I originally wrote. Contact me by PM if you did. |
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| muswp1 wrote: | | Rob T wrote: | Guys I have one request, this is a legitimate topic, but please show respect here. Let's not forget that Steve Hmiel is one of our members. While Shane's past is a topic of discussion to the topic it is personal for the family. We have lost some important people here because of comments made about drivers. Please think about it.
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I have no problems being respectful of Shane, I was just stating the facts.
BTW, did a mod rewrite my post's first sentence? That's not what I originally wrote. Contact me by PM if you did. |
I wasn't meaning that anyone had been disrespectful. I just wanted to throw that out to remind everyone that the public's view of comments is different from a family's view.
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Shane Hmiel is my hero, and I don't think I have ever said that about anyone. I suggest to anyone who does not know Shane's whole story to look it up, if it doesn't bring you to tears, make you think about your own life choices, or at the very least respect him as a person and fighter, I don't know what could.
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| Troy wrote: | | Rob T wrote: | Guys I have one request, this is a legitimate topic, but please show respect here. Let's not forget that Steve Hmiel is one of our members. While Shane's past is a topic of discussion to the topic it is personal for the family. We have lost some important people here because of comments made about drivers. Please think about it.
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And anyone who has followed Shane knows that he is a superhero without a cape. What he has accomplished since his accident is completely unbelievable. It is beyond belief how far he has come. |
Absolutely!!! I fully expect to see him out of the wheelchair one day. I have been following his recovery on Facebook. I love this video of him.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zdXA3z_Wx7M&feature=player_embedded
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| Posted: Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:23 am Post subject: |
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| tcg5014 wrote: | | Shane Hmiel is my hero, and I don't think I have ever said that about anyone. I suggest to anyone who does not know Shane's whole story to look it up, if it doesn't bring you to tears, make you think about your own life choices, or at the very least respect him as a person and fighter, I don't know what could. |
 I have been following hia story as well. |
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waylandcool
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| Johnnys1977 wrote: | | Billy Kingsley wrote: | the guy who owns the team AJ won Daytona this year with in the sports car series...I forget his name at the moment...has already stated that as soon as AJ is cleared to drive, he will have a ride for him if he wants it.
AJ has to complete NASCAR's program first, because the sports car series is a NASCAR division.
I didn't see this coming, (Fike being reinstated). I seem to recall at the time that it was a lifetime ban. I guess that doesn't mean too much, none of NASCAR's lifetime bans have lasted more than 6 years so far. |
Well, if a guy can get it together and keep it clean long enough and prove that he has gotten the monkey off his back.
Why not give him a second chance!
I'm sure most people feel that way.
Of course it is the owners and most of all the sponsors that will make that final call as to whether or not they do get back in. |
Fike's suspension was indefinate, not lifetime. Indefinate suspensions get lifted after you do the rehab. Lifetime bans are only for people who fail multiple drug tests. |
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