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RacinNasonFan · Joined: 30 Oct 2007 Posts: 32 Location: Vermont

I'm looking for a particular model that i cannot seem to find now, but have seen plenty of them on e-bay in the past.....It was a Dodge Dart racecar that looks like the Duster body...and the picture on the box shows the car colored in blue.....I have tried looking on e-bay now, but cannot seem to find a one now, so i'm starting to question myself if i'm not entering the correct keywords to find this model.....Unfortunately, i don't remember which company made it, but i do recall on the box seeing the word "Millennium".....My question's are, does anyone know which model in particular i'm referring to?.....And if so, can anyone possibly lead me in the right direction on finding this model again?.....It would be VERY much appreciated.

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RacinNasonFan · Joined: 30 Oct 2007 Posts: 32 Location: Vermont

I have seen this particular Petty model before that you have listed.....This isn't the one i'm referring to.....The one i'm referring to is blue, but has no numbers or lettering or anything on it that is pictured on the box.....But by the picture, it does have a roll-cage in it and does have wide racing slicks on it.....And i saw quite a few of these on e-bay about 6 months ago.....In my opinion, the link you sent is a true Dodge Dart...where the one i'm referring to is a Dodge Dart, but looks like a Duster body style.....Here is one that is similiar to what i'm talking about, but they made the front nose a little different on this one then the one i'm referring to...but to just give an example.....

http://www.gasolinealleyantiques.com/kits/images/CarAMT/amt-t231stewartdart.JPG

hemiman_1999 · Joined: 31 Aug 2004 Posts: 172 Location: Rockford Illinois

The car you are talking about is the last reissue of the Warren Stewart Dart it came out I think about 10 years ago it is the Warren Stewart car without the decals which are available from several aftermarket companies it was blue on the box no decals I remember Ertl saying they were bringing out the Petty Dart but I heard there was some type of issue with Licensing and this is the car they came out with that may be why it was done in blue on the box You can also get resin a conversion kit to turn it into the Cushman Duster for a few bucks and its a very high quality kit easy to use and get the decals for the Cushman car. If you are into Mopar Kit Cars this kit is great as is or as the Cushman conversion and a lot less money than the originals of the kits plus it’s a donor kit to restore the Petty Dart or if you want get a resin Dart Body. If you want I can send you some pics of the real cars and some models of them.
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Tom M. · Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 2:57 pm Post subject:

The Dart Sport Kit Car was reissued about five years ago, again with no decals but with a maroon/white car on the box.
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gary66 · Posted: Sun Jul 26, 2009 4:04 pm Post subject:

They could not locate the body mold for the Petty Dart.
I think that particular body is (or was) available in resin.

There were 4 original kits:
43-Petty Dart
# 2- Fictional Dart (same body as the Petty kit)
# 60- Warren Stewart Dart
# 8- Jim Cushman Duster.

The Stewart Dart has been re-issued twice with no decals, once in an all blue body (Millennium edition) and the last time as a buyer's choice (red and white body).

The Duster Hood/Grille/Front Bumper is available in resin to convert the Stewart /Millennium/Buyer's Choice Dart to the Cushman Body.

The chassis is the same on all 6 versions, that's why the roll cage doesn't line up exactly right on the Petty/ # 2 style body. This was caused by Amt not noticing that there were two Kit cars , one with a Nascar Late Model Sportsman wheelbase, and one with a slightly different wheelbase that was not Nascar Legal. It's an easy fix though.
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RacinNasonFan · Joined: 30 Oct 2007 Posts: 32 Location: Vermont

Ok.....I appreciate all the response's guy's...i didn't realize that the "Blue" millennium one was actually another Warren Stewart car, because i don't think it said that on the box...(Don't quote me on that).....But now here's my thing.....First of all, i'm not finding the "Blue" millennium kit car at all...but i'm not 100% sure either if maybe i'm just not entering the correct keywords when i'm looking on e-bay, because approximately 6 months ago there was all kinds of them to be bought.....This is definitely the one that i want because as i had mentioned, the front-end on the blue one is slightly different then the red & white one...the red & white one comes to more of a point, which i don't care for.....What i want to do is build this model and copy it from a Duster Kit-Car that Ralph Nason (From Maine) drove in the early 70's, before he went to the Dart Kit-Car in the mid 70's.....I have a regular Duster model now that actually came with some decals that Ralph actually had on the race car and if i can find this "Blue" millennium car that has the Duster shape, i want to combine the 2 models together and i think that it would come out to be pretty near perfect using the two together.....Again, thanks alot guys and if anyone can give me a little more news, it would definitely be appreciated.

gary66 · Posted: Mon Jul 27, 2009 8:51 pm Post subject:

These two kits are identical. They are exactly the same. The only difference is the box art. Inside they have all the same parts and same body:

Model Express has the Millennium version:
http://www.modelexpress.net/cgi-bin/modelexpress/shop/AMT_30271.html
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northstar55 · Joined: 09 Apr 2009 Posts: 4

I have what you are looking for, I think. I bought 12 of the millenium kits and would part with one. I too have followed 'Racin' Ralph's career so if I can help let me know!

Terry L · Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 131 Location: San Diego

also, as mentioned earlier above, theres a resin coversion parts kit avail to convert that kit into the Cushman Duster which will allow you to do the Nason Duster- its a copy of the same parts as in the original Duster Kit Car version of that kit so wil be a direct swap. You can likely do it with the Duster street(?) kit you mention having as wel, just wil take a bit of work converting the stock Duster hood to add in those tire clearance bulges , the Kit Car Darts hood is diferent so it wont match up with the dusters grille/nose area right out of the box

ricky moore · Joined: 27 Feb 2003 Posts: 758 Location: shelbyville tn

heres the Jim Cushman Nose
http://www.fredsresinworkshop.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=7&t=8033
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RacinNasonFan · Joined: 30 Oct 2007 Posts: 32 Location: Vermont

Ok...what i think i'm gonna do is explain to you guys what Ralph's situation was at the time of his purchase of his first kit-car...and i'd like to get some opinion's on how you all think i should do this.....Now Ralph's Duster, there's actually a little story behind it.....Ralph was actually one of the first guys to look into a kit-car at the end of the 1973 season...and Ralph had bought the kit-car down at Petty's...but at the time, Chrysler was going through a strike, so not all of the parts were available yet...and when Ralph arrived early, all the sheet metal had not arrived yet.....So Ralph just went to a junkyard in the area and picked up a Duster body in the junkyard and that's what was used.....Now i do have pictures (Unfortunately i can't put them up on here, but if anybody would like to see them to get a better understanding, just let me know an address and i'll send them to you.).....But you can definitely see that on the stock Duster body, the front fender's had to be cut for the tires...and the front nose is slightly different because it's a stock Duster Vs. the Dart Sport body front nose.....So with these two things alone, this was why i was leaning towards using my stock Duster body, because that's actually what Ralph's is.....But as i mention, if anyone can offer some more opinion's on this or would like to see the pictures i have, please let me know.....And thank-you for all your time guys.

RacinNasonFan · Joined: 30 Oct 2007 Posts: 32 Location: Vermont

NORTHSTAR55.....I sent you a PM.

Pat Redmond · Joined: 27 Feb 2003 Posts: 7151

E-mail me the pics....i'll host them for you
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Terry L · Joined: 24 Apr 2007 Posts: 131 Location: San Diego

Well, based on this pic I'd think you could pretty much use either body and never know!

Hosted on Fotki

Actually, kidding aside, still think you'd have an easier time using the dart kit car body and that resin conversion kit to get the right look for the duster nose-or may could cut the front clip off your Duster street car and match it up to the dart kit cars rear half if you dont want to retain those tire clearance bulges in the hood and fenders but to me it looks like there was some of that even in the car body he used on his.
Thats the only pic I had of his duster for reference, some of yours may show otherwise on that- my $ 0.02 FWIW

RacinNasonFan · Joined: 30 Oct 2007 Posts: 32 Location: Vermont

Pat Redmond.....Cool, thanks alot for that.....I really appreciate that alot.....I'll even send you what i have of his Dart, which he went to after the Duster...which i plan on eventually doing as well.....But the Duster will be first on the list.....The Duster he ran was in 1974 and the Dart was in 1975 & 1976...(Actually 2 different Dart's...one each year).....Then in 1977, he came out with another kit-car...it was a Plymouth Volare...but they never really got that one figured out totally...i mean it was ok, but not compared to the success he had with the Duster and Dart...and that was the end of the Kit-Car era for Ralph.....For anyone that is also interested, i have 2 different stories that go along with the Duster pictures out of 2 different magazines.....One is from CARS Magazine October 1974.....And the other is from Stock Car Racing May 1975.....Both are excellent articles.....Thanks again everybody.

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Bob Clifton · Joined: 27 Jul 2009 Posts: 9 Location: Milton DE

I came across this car when I was looking for info on the Gary Savage driven '63 Falcon that is the subject of another thread. This car was driven by Gary Savage in the historic race prior to the Daytona 24 hr and is owned by the same people that own the restored AAR 'Cuda Trans-Am racer.

http://moparmuscle.automotive.com/92591/mopp-0005-1973-dodge-challenger/index.html

Anybody have any info on this one? It looks like it could be easily built using the '73 Challenger body and the kit car chassis.

Bob Clifton

Bob Clifton · Joined: 27 Jul 2009 Posts: 9 Location: Milton DE

Another pic of the same Challenger:
http://album.hybridz.org/data/824/Petty-car1.jpg

Bob Clifton