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iceman
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SO I thought there was supposed to be a BIG announcement OCT 13
Can't find it anywhere.
Anyone know if the postponed it or something or was I not hearing them right about the date.
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| Quote: | SO I thought there was supposed to be a BIG announcement OCT 13
Can't find it anywhere.
Anyone know if the postponed it or something or was I not hearing them right about the date.
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I'm pretty sure the big announcement was the deal with Hendrick to produce the current style Camaro and HMS schemes. Scheduled to start in January or February 2022. |
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Thanks
I heard about that way back on Sept 27, so I thought it was something newer. |
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| The 2021 cars WERE due before years end??????? |
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Pat Redmond
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The October 13th announcement was only for Builder's Club members and has been pushed to the 20th for us.
Public announcement will follow in November.
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Hey Pat,
For us non Builder members, will you give us details of the announcement on the 20th?
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This made me go back and read some posts made when first announced. I sure got beat up when I said no way the kits would be on shelf OCT 2021!!! To be clear I was not trying to be negative.....I've worked on enough kits to know.
Add the current delays in EVERYTHING and their new ETA date will be tough. Good luck to them. Hope I don't take another beating over telling the truth.  |
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Pat Redmond
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| BVAUGHN wrote: | Hey Pat,
For us non Builder members, will you give us details of the announcement on the 20th?
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Bill |
Um, no. PUBLIC will know in November.
We in the Builder's Club get news before the general public and it is up to us to keep it confidential. We will be removed from the Builder's Club and it's privileges if we leak that info.
We're sworn to secrecy. Seriously.
(EDIT) This secrecy is dictated in signed contracts with the parties involved.
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Pat Redmond
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Saturday, October 30th will be the official announcement.
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DaveVan
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| I feel like I can wait!!!! A few things in my world a lot more pressing at this time. |
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| Pat Redmond wrote: | | BVAUGHN wrote: | Hey Pat,
For us non Builder members, will you give us details of the announcement on the 20th?
Thanks
Bill |
Um, no. PUBLIC will know in November.
We in the Builder's Club get news before the general public and it is up to us to keep it confidential. We will be removed from the Builder's Club and it's privileges if we leak that info.
We're sworn to secrecy. Seriously.
(EDIT) This secrecy is dictated in signed contracts with the parties involved. |
Yep, those Non Disclosure Agreements can be a real P.I.T.A.
But I can't be bribed, nor do I have the $$$ to fight any suits that come from any violations, lol
Everyone will just have to wait. |
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| This is kinda funny really....... |
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Gary66
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Not ranting and fussing, I buy Salvino's kits, but I find the whole "builder's club" thing a little putting off. If only further divides us instead of bringing us together, seems like the model car hobby is already split up enough. I could be way off base on that, would hope that I am, but that's how I see it.
I know, I could join, but with the coming Gen 6 kits ( and I am very happy for you modern builders) I don't want to get locked in having to buy a kit. And there are only so many Monogram repops I need to buy, I already have more than enough of the originals. |
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 The ' I know something I won't tell' reminds me of the old Looney Toons cartoon.
I understand 'non disclosure' and how they are needed in industry. Made a number of them myself when I was doing work for companies. BUT...I was PAID to keep my moth shut! I did not pay someone else to keep my mouth shut!!! Just seems very odd. Those that are members and feel they get a benefits....COGRATS I am happy you aree happy. Just not for me.....unless they want to pay me!!! 
Warning....this is not anyone here....just for reference
https://youtu.be/zKvhVssO348 |
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Pat Redmond
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Gary66 said...
"And there are only so many Monogram repops I need to buy, I already have more than enough of the originals."
Understood. No problems there.
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| Posted: Thu Oct 21, 2021 4:18 pm Post subject: |
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| What is this “builders club”. |
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| Well thanks for nothing SJR, they announced that they're doing a limited run of 2500 Next Gen Camaro's.. |
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Pat Redmond
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| bigryan18 wrote: | | Well thanks for nothing SJR, they announced that they're doing a limited run of 2500 Next Gen Camaro's.. |
The Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Rollout car is limited edition.
ALL 4 2022 Hendrick Next Gen cars will be released in February.
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Salvino's JR Models, under license with NASCAR and Hendrick Motorsports will be releasing the 2022 Next Gen Chevy Camaro ZL1 as a model kit in the New Year.
All new tooling to match the all new car!
All four Hendrick Motorsports cars will be represented.
This box art is for the Chevrolet Camaro 'Roll Out' display car. There's a limited number of those kits available for pre-order at https://salvinosjrmodels.com/
(Box art is a prototype and is subject to change)
Box art for the four Hendrick Motorsports cars to follow as the schemes are made available.
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So are the 4 Hendrick cars going to be 2001 Camaros as they announced or did they change there mind to make them 2022 Camaros  |
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I figured this is what the big announcement would be, I remember Rick and Jim talking about this back when I was still in the club in the spring and early summer.
It will be interesting to see how this kit turns out, it sure has been a long time since current cars have been available as kits. |
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ZzzzzzzzzzZZZ
Nothing to see here |
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gks1964
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| Bill J wrote: | ZzzzzzzzzzZZZ
Nothing to see here |
Maybe a 72 Plymouth would have made it interesting!! |
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Pat Redmond
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| iceman wrote: | | So are the 4 Hendrick cars going to be 2001 Camaros as they announced or did they change there mind to make them 2022 Camaros |
The Camaros will be 2022 Next Gen.
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| Bill J wrote: | ZzzzzzzzzzZZZ
Nothing to see here |
There are many that are interested in the Next Gen Camaro ZL1
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| Joe Oteri wrote: | | What's happening with the 2020 Championship Camaro kit? |
Plans for that have been shelved.
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| Pat Redmond wrote: | | bigryan18 wrote: | | Well thanks for nothing SJR, they announced that they're doing a limited run of 2500 Next Gen Camaro's.. |
The Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Rollout car is limited edition.
ALL 4 2022 Hendrick Next Gen cars will be released in February. |
Seeing some conflicting info, Mike's Decals posted each HMS drivers kit will be released over the course of 2022. |
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Pat Redmond
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| martinfan wrote: | | Pat Redmond wrote: | | bigryan18 wrote: | | Well thanks for nothing SJR, they announced that they're doing a limited run of 2500 Next Gen Camaro's.. |
The Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Rollout car is limited edition.
ALL 4 2022 Hendrick Next Gen cars will be released in February. |
Seeing some conflicting info, Mike's Decals posted each HMS drivers kit will be released over the course of 2022. |
Rick Salvino of Salvino's JR announced today he wanted all 4 Hendrick Camaros to be ready for the Daytona 500 2022. Barring any problems, this should happen. Mike's Decals would have more info than I have, but just quoting Mr. Salvino this morning.
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| iceman wrote: | | So are the 4 Hendrick cars going to be 2001 Camaros as they announced or did they change there mind to make them 2022 Camaros |
This is what Mikes Decals said, they never said they were doing the Gen 6 car, they were "announcing" they entered into a licensing agreement to do them if, IF, they can get the Revell Gen 6 molds from Revell/China) ( Mike didnt say that part , someone else did and now I can't find that post) |
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| Pat Redmond wrote: | | martinfan wrote: | | Pat Redmond wrote: | | bigryan18 wrote: | | Well thanks for nothing SJR, they announced that they're doing a limited run of 2500 Next Gen Camaro's.. |
The Chevrolet Camaro ZL1 Rollout car is limited edition.
ALL 4 2022 Hendrick Next Gen cars will be released in February. |
Seeing some conflicting info, Mike's Decals posted each HMS drivers kit will be released over the course of 2022. |
Rick Salvino of Salvino's JR announced today he wanted all 4 Hendrick Camaros to be ready for the Daytona 500 2022. Barring any problems, this should happen. Mike's Decals would have more info than I have, but just quoting Mr. Salvino this morning. |
Thanks Pat, I was just wanted to point that out, I wasnt trying to call you out or anything, I hope you didnt take it that way. |
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| martinfan wrote: | | iceman wrote: | | So are the 4 Hendrick cars going to be 2001 Camaros as they announced or did they change there mind to make them 2022 Camaros |
This is what Mikes Decals said, they never said they were doing the Gen 6 car, they were "announcing" they entered into a licensing agreement to do them if, IF, they can get the Revell Gen 6 molds from Revell/China) ( Mike didnt say that part , someone else did and now I can't find that post) |
They cannot get the Gen 6 tooling from China due to continuing Revell Bankruptcy issues. Salvino's, Mike's, other involved parties were trying to buy the tooling, but came up without.
The Next Gen opportunity NASCAR provided was too good to ignore, so they went in THAT direction.
Some confusion is realized and understood by the involved parties.
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These guys REALLY, really need to hire people who know what their doing, because they're so far over their heads. There's absolutely no excuse for them to misunderstand what kind of license they got from Nascar & HMS.  Huge difference between a Gen6 and the NextGen cars.
Here's another crazy idea: 3D scan a Revell Gen6 kit, stop screwing around trying to get the molds you're never going to acquire.
AMT just did this with the original Ertl Transtar cabover they recently released. They improved an already great kit, it was a brilliant idea on their part.
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Pat Redmond
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| Joe Oteri wrote: | These guys REALLY, really need to hire people who know what their doing, because they're so far over their heads. There's absolutely no excuse for them to misunderstand what kind of license they got from Nascar & HMS. Huge difference between a Gen6 and the NextGen cars.
Here's another crazy idea: 3D scan a Revell Gen6 kit, stop screwing around trying to get the molds you're never going to acquire.
AMT just did this with the original Ertl Transtar cabover they recently released. They improved an already great kit, it was a brilliant idea on their part. |
They didn't misunderstand anything. The Gen 6 effort was before NASCAR came calling. NASCAR wanted Next Gen and Salvino's said they could do it. Salvinos knew it was better to go with the new car than a car that was going obsolete in a year.
Salvinos will do better with Next Gen than Gen 6 all day long.
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| Joe Oteri wrote: | These guys REALLY, really need to hire people who know what their doing, because they're so far over their heads. There's absolutely no excuse for them to misunderstand what kind of license they got from Nascar & HMS. Huge difference between a Gen6 and the NextGen cars.
Here's another crazy idea: 3D scan a Revell Gen6 kit, stop screwing around trying to get the molds you're never going to acquire.
AMT just did this with the original Ertl Transtar cabover they recently released. They improved an already great kit, it was a brilliant idea on their part. |
AGREE 100%!!!Boy did I take a beating when I questioned Salvinos making a Gen6 kit....I was told I was wrong and being negative......hmmmmmm |
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I know there aren't official renderings of '22 cars yet, but when they posted the ad showing 4 HMS Gen6 cars....there was never a note about them actually being NextGen cars. Now don't get me wrong, I'm excited we have the new car coming, but they need to work on their communication skills. The whole Builders Club thing is a scam too. I echo what Gary said, why divide this hobby even more? I'm sorry I don't do Facebook, but they've created this "sEcReT ClUb" and have passed it off like it's some higher society of model building...It's unnecessary and kinda insulting actually.
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| The dead give away the Gen 6 cars weren't going to be made was nobody jumped on making any decals for them, when i saw that i knew something was up. |
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I understand the confusion between the pictures in the ad and the actual announcement. I think a lot of people assumed a Gen 6, of which I was one of those people.
It was more to introduce the deal with Hendrick Motorsports rather than a Gen 6 Camaro. as you said, there's no '22 renders/schemes announced yet.
Mislead? I don't think that was intentional.
As for the Builders Club, I think you're making more of a divide by continuing to bring it up rather than letting it slide.
We pay FULL RETAIL for a kit with extra decals once a month.... A 'Kit Of The Month' subscription service. The private Facebook Group for the Builders Club is a place to hang out and hear about things upcoming a little earlier than everyone else. I don't know that it makes us 'superior' by any means.
Your mileage may vary.
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| WR wrote: | | The dead give away the Gen 6 cars weren't going to be made was nobody jumped on making any decals for them, when i saw that i knew something was up. |
Few knew about the Next Gen deal, but I guess the 'right' parties did.
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| The club isn't for me either but I can see how others would like it. From a business perspective a steady monthly income stream is probably an asset and if the members feel a connection to the company through the club then that's probably good too. |
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| Quote: | | stop screwing around trying to get the molds you're never going to acquire. |
From what I have seen and heard, once tooling goes to China, it never comes back. They will scrap it before they send it back.
The Atlantis people have reverse engineered some missing parts and are bringing some old kits back, it can be done.
I am very pleased that folks who want a modern car can now buy and build them, that needed to happen. I hope they get it right and keep the errors to a minimum. |
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| Read the book 'China: the hundred year marathon' if you want to know how China works.......Gary is right |
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| Made in the USA comes at a cost. |
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| Careful, Joe, you're going to get this locked (but I agree with you)! |
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| Joe Oteri wrote: | | I'll keep speaking with my wallet, because their stuff isn't worth the now north of $40 MSRP. |
Hey Joe, I fully agree, so when I got an email back from Mike's Decals saying the tenitive cost will be about $34 , I felt a bit better about jumping the gun and pre ordering............4 of them before knowing the price. |
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