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 Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 4:10 am Post subject: Mike Waltrip #23 Kroger/Haw'n Punch MC Need Help! |
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FOLKS BRANDON MILLER NEEDS YOUR HELP!
This request was posted on the NASCAR MODELING DISCUSSION panel but since this is actually a Grayside project I thought I'd post it here too.
If Brandon can complete this it will be the only set of decals to completely and accurately do this car.
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| Brandon Miller wrote: | 3 questions
1) Anyone know what's on the trunk?
2) Anyone know what's on the C pillar?
3) Anyone know what's on the rear of the car?
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Posted: Tue Jul 26, 2011 7:56 pm Post subject:
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Brandon you beat me to it I was going to give this a bump and see if anyone could be of help.
Here's what we know so far: Michael entered only 5 cup races in 1985 and only 2 with this paint scheme. Those races are:
Race #25 Oct. 26, 1985 The Miller High Life 500 @ Charlotte
Race #27 Nov. 3, 1985 Atlanta Journal 500 @ Atlanta International Speedway.
There are only 2 photos circulating on this Board of this car. The one shown above and another one basically from the same angle where Mikey is shown duking it out with Phil Parsons.
There are a plethora of pics out there for his 1986 Pontiac 2+2 but it seems that no one except for one guy at Charlotte took Mikey's photo in 1985. That is hard to believe.
I have no involvement with this project other than that of an interested party who wants to build this car, and am willing to do a little research for Brandon to get this to completion. But my resources are tapped out. On Brandon's behalf I'm putting out a plea to anyone and everyone. Check your books and magazines. Check your photo collections. Check your memory banks.
If you are checking magazines, check the issues that are 2 to 4 months past the event date. Back then magazines needed an average of 90 days lead time to bring stories and photos to publication.
On the C-pillar decal, I'm sure at least one person on this Board, in particular those of you who are collectors and students of contingencies can identify this one from the existing photo. I've seen you guys come through on some pretty rare stuff before! (Remember the Super Chicken nose decal on the Dodge Daytona?)
But of course a rear photo of this car even a distant or "accidental" photo will help.
If one of you comes through, I will personally award you with the Golden Atta-Boy Award (via email) which will entitle you to be known as a hero a champion, and a leader of men. You'll also get a key to Randy Ayers' executive washroom and you'll get the Board's one and only covered parking stall for a month!
Dig deep you guys we need your help!
Thanks.
Jerry
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| Posted: Wed Jul 27, 2011 5:18 pm Post subject: |
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| I'm no expert, but the C pillar looks like a red & white version of the "certified with pride in USA" as seen on the 84-87 wrangler cars. |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:11 am Post subject: |
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Thanks Matt! Another lead to track down! Would you have a copy of the logo you could send along for review?
Jerry
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| tim.drake17 wrote: | I found this pic, doesn't really help though. Strange it has Pontiac Motorsports on Monte Carlo.
The C pillar is "Crafted with Pride" (across top) "in USA" (along bottom) It's on the Powerslide #11 Budweiser sheet (DW 1985)
I think I remember Sav-on on the TV panel.
I want to say the trunk has the Hawaiian Punch guy but that is a guess only. |
Tim;
Thank you for the photo! I believe this was the version Mikey drove @ Atlanta. First time I've seen a second version of this car ANYWHERE! The C-pillar decal is different from the one shown on the Charlotte car which opens up another set of variations and possiblities to track down. Speaking for me only, I regard this as progress rather than another hurdle since it gets us closer to replicating this car with maximum accuracy!
Please let me know where you found this photo, and can you send me a high resolution scan via email so I can run it thru Photoshop to see what else this pic may reveal. (PM me for my email address). Also could you send along a scan of the Powerslide DW Budweiser sheet? A normal resolution scan will do for this.
It appears that the mystery logo on the trunk of the Charlotte car is missing from this one. Also you said you recall a Sav-On logo on the TV panel..... did you see this car in-person or do you know of some other pics that might be around...... please help.
Lastly I'm not seeing the "Pontiac Motorsports" in this pic........
A note to everyone...... Tim's lead comment in his post revealed that he didn't believe his photo would advance the research at all. Thankfully he sent it along anyway. Don't let this stop you from sending in even a lousy photo. Or giving even a sketchy anecdotal recollection. Everything you contribute is another morsel of fact that gets us closer to the truth.
Many thanks!
Jerry
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 12:42 am Post subject: |
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Hopefully this is helpful. I want a set of these when they're ready!
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 1:01 am Post subject: |
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Im no expert, but if any of you have the #47 hawaiin punch decal, look closely at the character. Looks like him on the trunck (the hawaiian guy), but in yellow outline.
PS I still need to find 6 more books. Still looking for photos of the car. Hopefuly a rear shot.
(also posted on the other one)
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 2:43 am Post subject: |
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| the c pillar logo is on the 80's Powerslide contingency sheet in 1/24 scale |
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 5:35 pm Post subject: |
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RE-POSTED HERE FROM NASCAR MODELING DISCUSSION
| Matt T. wrote: | Jerry,
I think the "Pontiac Motorsports" is on the C pillar in Tim's photo.
I can see how that would be the "Punchy" character on the decklid. His outline is in yellow with hot pink hair flowing behind him.
I like this car. I'm looking forward to buying a sheet when Brandon has it up for sale! |
Thanks to all who have contributed so far..... We've come a very long way in just a couple of days; much farther than we have in the nearly 2 months since Brandon first posted this thread! I feel we're on the verge of a breakthrough here.
Halfbreed: Keep going buddy, hope you find those 6 other books! I agree with your assessment that it it most probably the "Punchy" character on the trunk deck of at least the Charlotte car. Can't tell from the new photo if Punchy is repeated on the Atlanta car.
I've been playing with the image a bit in photoshop. I think I can make out the knuckles on his right hand, and some other unidentified body part through the rear window. The knuckles look flesh toned under magnification. It is difficult to I.D. what the yellow is precisely, and in all the renderings of Punchy that Ive seen from the time period Punchy is white, not flesh toned.
Here's a few samples that I've pulled off the net:
[URL=http://public.fotki.com/67Fairlane/nascar-1980s/43-punchy-hood.html]
As you can see Punchy strikes different poses depending on the whims of the artist. Even if we all agree its Punchy on the trunk it is still imperative we get a photo to see which version was there.
Matt: Thanks for clarification on the C-pillar decal on the Atlanta car. Hopefully someone can come up with a closeup of this so it can be duplicated for the decal sheet.
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| VirginiaJeff wrote: | Hopefully this is helpful. I want a set of these when they're ready!
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Jeff;
Sorry I didn't properly thank you for your contribution. You hit a homerun with your pic of the "crafted With Pride" logo. Hopefully we can something just as good for the Pontiac Motorsports decal on the Atlanta car.
Keep plugging away at it..... I think we're close to a breakthrough.
Jerry
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| Posted: Thu Jul 28, 2011 6:40 pm Post subject: |
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I would go with Hawaiian Punch on the rear.
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 3:21 pm Post subject: |
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If we could figure out for sure if the Hawaiian Punch guy was on the decklid, I could pretty much finish these up.
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Sorry guys. Couldnt find those books I was looking for. Wish I could have. I check all the others I have, and no pics. Im glad we have a bunch of guys on here that go the extra lenght for things. That is one of the reasons I joined this site. YOU ALL ARE A GREAT BUNCH OF GUYS & GALS.
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Is there any gals on here??
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| Posted: Fri Jul 29, 2011 6:54 pm Post subject: |
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Yes I do believe so Tim.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:06 am Post subject: |
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| halfbreed999 wrote: | | Sorry guys. Couldnt find those books I was looking for. Wish I could have. I check all the others I have, and no pics. Im glad we have a bunch of guys on here that go the extra lenght for things. That is one of the reasons I joined this site. YOU ALL ARE A GREAT BUNCH OF GUYS & GALS. |
Appreciate your efforts buddy. We're all in it together. I know a lot of people who have the attitude of "giving a little and expecting a lot" you won't find that amongst these folks on this Board. We have a great membership... more like an extended family. That's the main reason this site works so well.
If you can remember the book titles or describe those books perhaps another member may have one and can pick up the search from there.
Thanks.
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| Posted: Sat Jul 30, 2011 12:17 am Post subject: |
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| Brandon Miller wrote: | | If we could figure out for sure if the Hawaiian Punch guy was on the decklid, I could pretty much finish these up. |
Hey Brandon;
I think it is safe to make the assumption that the TV panel had the Hawaiian Punch logo on it as shown on the Pontiac in the photo above. The lettering scheme on both cars was essentially the same. Maybe include a chevy bowtie for the license plate recess just for giggles.
There remains two issues that are important and only a photo can solve. Is Punchy's likeness on the trunk lid, and if so which version? I'm still trying to track down a version that has yellow in it like the one shown in one of the pics. I may have seen him on a yellow surfboard advertizing one of the new flavors.
Also from the existing photo, what we can see gives me the impression the graphics are not centered on the trunk lid. Makes me wonder if there's something else there we can't see.
The 2nd issue and one not yet discussed is how the blue accent color wraps around the rear of the car.
Just more food for thought.
Jerry
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| it looks like bare feet on a yellow surf board and if im not mistaken there was a pic like that way back when i kinda remember it when i was a kid |
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| peglegderek wrote: | | it looks like bare feet on a yellow surf board and if im not mistaken there was a pic like that way back when i kinda remember it when i was a kid |
Thanks Pegleg. I think we're recalling the same image. I'll do some research to see if they were marketing a new "yellow" flavor around late '85 early '86.
If I recall the Hawaiian Punch brand was owned by Del Monte at the time... might be a good place for me to start.
Always appreciate the input. Even tiny seemingly unimportant morsels can open up new leads. Everyone thanks again and keep up the good work.
Jerry
PS: Do you prefer "Pegleg" or "Derek" or does it matter?
I'm kinda lazy and like to shorten names to just 2 syllables!
PeglegDerek is 2 syllables beyond my authorized maximum! 
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| '67 Fairlane, on the pic showing the Monte Carlo you said you didn't see the Pontiac Motorsports mentioned by the sender. I didn't either until I looked closely at the C-pillar. Sure enough Pontiac Motorsports, and a Monte Carlo! Another build option for the sheet now. |
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| socal76 wrote: | | '67 Fairlane, on the pic showing the Monte Carlo you said you didn't see the Pontiac Motorsports mentioned by the sender. I didn't either until I looked closely at the C-pillar. Sure enough Pontiac Motorsports, and a Monte Carlo! Another build option for the sheet now. |
You possess superior observational skills SoCal! When the pic 1st came in, I didn't enlarge it to really take a look. Since then I have seen it and you are indeed correct.
Speculating, I would say that since Bahari racing was switching to Pontiacs to run full time in 1986 and this was Mikey's last race of the 1985 season (Atlanta) the "Pontiac" decal on the C-pillar may have just been a subtle announcement of what was to come.
Jerry
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Hey Jerry. Cant remember the name of the books. I got them about 10yrs ago when are library remodeled. The only one I remember was ramblin ragtop. But I did find out what happened to the books. Seems my wife gave them, along with a few others (about 10 boxes of books), plus 4 huge boxes of models to the veterans. Along with a bunch of other stuff. Bet they were happy. But hey its for a good cause. Gotta support our soldiers.
On another note, Id say the blue goes around the back under the spoiler. Seems to look like it.
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Do you prefer "Pegleg" or "Derek" or does it matter?
I'm kinda lazy and like to shorten names to just 2 syllables!
PeglegDerek is 2 syllables beyond my authorized maximum!
Peggy no leg stick boy Derek Doughboy LOL and a few other words my friends call me  will work im not sensative to nick names! |
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| peglegderek wrote: | Do you prefer "Pegleg" or "Derek" or does it matter?
I'm kinda lazy and like to shorten names to just 2 syllables!
PeglegDerek is 2 syllables beyond my authorized maximum!
Peggy no leg stick boy Derek Doughboy LOL and a few other words my friends call me will work im not sensative to nick names! |
Got it Jim! 
Thanks!
Jerry
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| Posted: Thu Aug 11, 2011 4:24 am Post subject: |
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Thanks for the bump Jim.
Brandon's been ill, and I've been involved in other distractions.
Still looking for rear photos folks. Please help.
Jerry
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If I can start getting some help on the contingency decals, I may be able to start winding the artwork up.
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Glad your back. Hope you feel better. Now what do you need? 
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Hello everyone, figured it was time to get you all fired up again!
Here's an update.
I may have gotten lucky. I found a source that may be able to provide the information we're looking for regarding the rear deck and TV panel of this car. It is promising, but I come from the school that says it ain't happening until it happens. So we will see, I am cautiously optimistic. The downside is that it will be 3 weeks to a month before I see any results; meaning whether or not the archive actually contains the specific information we're after.
So, troops, now is not the time to sit back and say "OK Jerry's got this handled" because I don't...... not until I have something tangible in hand. If any of you can think of anything or anyone who may have had anything to do with the 2 races in question, Bahari Racing, Michael Waltrip, Del Monte Corporation, Charlotte Motorspeedway or Atlanta International Raceway back in 1985/ 86 or anyone with Circle Track Magazine, or Stock Car Racing Magazine or if you know anyone who may have attended the races and may have a photo stuffed in a shoe box somewhere....... please, now is the time to wrack your brains, dust off those old memory banks think about where to look or who to call or contact.
Everyone listed above with the exception of Bahari Racing has been contacted at least once. I am considering contacting the heirs of Dick Bahre to see if they have any info. Meanwhile if anyone can think of other avenues let me know.
Brandon is completely up to speed as I have been emailing him with any significant updates. He's a busy guy so he doesn't always return emails or PMs right away. I don't know what his plans are at this point if he wants to release the set as is or wait to see if my new lead pans out. He will chime in as time allows I'm sure.
Thanks to everyone who's helped out so far. I need to ask you all to dig deeper and pull out the last ounce of ideas you may have.
This a great project whether you're a fan of Mikey's or not. Brandon is offering us a chance to build a truly rare racecar from the earliest days of Mikey's Cup career, and to do it right instead of settling for "close but not quite..."
Please help.
Jerry
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| '67 Fairlane wrote: | Hello everyone, figured it was time to get you all fired up again!
Here's an update.
I may have gotten lucky. I found a source that may be able to provide the information we're looking for regarding the rear deck and TV panel of this car. It is promising, but I come from the school that says it ain't happening until it happens. So we will see, I am cautiously optimistic. The downside is that it will be 3 weeks to a month before I see any results; meaning whether or not the archive actually contains the specific information we're after.
So, troops, now is not the time to sit back and say "OK Jerry's got this handled" because I don't...... not until I have something tangible in hand. If any of you can think of anything or anyone who may have had anything to do with the 2 races in question, Bahari Racing, Michael Waltrip, Del Monte Corporation, Charlotte Motorspeedway or Atlanta International Raceway back in 1985/ 86 or anyone with Circle Track Magazine, or Stock Car Racing Magazine or if you know anyone who may have attended the races and may have a photo stuffed in a shoe box somewhere....... please, now is the time to wrack your brains, dust off those old memory banks think about where to look or who to call or contact.
Everyone listed above with the exception of Bahari Racing has been contacted at least once. I am considering contacting the heirs of Dick Bahre to see if they have any info. Meanwhile if anyone can think of other avenues let me know.
Brandon is completely up to speed as I have been emailing him with any significant updates. He's a busy guy so he doesn't always return emails or PMs right away. I don't know what his plans are at this point if he wants to release the set as is or wait to see if my new lead pans out. He will chime in as time allows I'm sure.
Thanks to everyone who's helped out so far. I need to ask you all to dig deeper and pull out the last ounce of ideas you may have.
This a great project whether you're a fan of Mikey's or not. Brandon is offering us a chance to build a truly rare racecar from the earliest days of Mikey's Cup career, and to do it right instead of settling for "close but not quite..."
Please help.
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Maybe this will help. I'm almost positive that whatever logo is on the C pillar is the logo on the trunk of the Monte Carlo. I'd go with Hawaiian Punch on the back as 24collector said.
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