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Tom M.
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PostPosted: Fri May 04, 2018 8:11 pm    Post subject: Obscure modeling possibility Reply with quote

This was posted on Facebook recently, I was amazed because I never knew Bobby Isaac drove for Junior after he was fired partway through '66. A bit of research led me to the conclusion that this was Isaac winning a GN East race at Hickory in '73. Richard Howard, who was the money behind JJ&A's race cars at that time, always liked Isaac. I'll probably attempt to backdate one of the JR Monte Carlos to a '73 once they're available, I'd rather attempt it in styrene.

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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2018 3:08 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Great find Tom!!!
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PostPosted: Sat May 05, 2018 4:45 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Notice the ghost 11 on the left headlamp where the decals were peeled.
Nice variation on the Kar Kare scheme!
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PostPosted: Mon May 07, 2018 8:58 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Here's a couple more........

http://www.grandnationaleast.com/Cars%20500/Bobby%20Isaac%20-%2073%20Chevy.jpg

https://www.gettyimages.co.nz/license/136021924
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 5:34 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Think you could only need to make qtr panal decals to dothis car
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PostPosted: Tue May 08, 2018 11:00 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BVAUGHN wrote:
Think you could only need to make qtr panal decals to dothis car
Bill


Yep! Do ya know what color the lettering is??
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PostPosted: Wed May 09, 2018 9:07 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

No I don't and I have enough to build before I research this one LOL
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PostPosted: Sat May 12, 2018 5:13 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Im guessing the lettering would be red like the rest. If anyone does these decals I would be in for a few sets.
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 6:02 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

There's another picture out there somewhere that shows another of Jr.'s cars with just #1 on it (Mountain Dew car, I think) that was a backup that he had qualify and start the race at Riverside because of the tight points race. I wanted to remember that maybe Joe Millikan drove it but could be wrong on that. It must have been '81 or '82 (if he carried Dew sponsorship in '82)
There was a shot of it on here before the big crash but I haven't been able to locate it anywhere since then. If anybody knows what pic I'm talking about please link or post it if you could.

Thanks'
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 12:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

halfbreed999 wrote:
Im guessing the lettering would be red like the rest. If anyone does these decals I would be in for a few sets.


Looking as closely as I can, it seems like the lettering might be two colors, like black doubled over or outlined by another color. The E and C at least, seem to have an outline.
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 6:43 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Firefly wrote:
halfbreed999 wrote:
Im guessing the lettering would be red like the rest. If anyone does these decals I would be in for a few sets.


Looking as closely as I can, it seems like the lettering might be two colors, like black doubled over or outlined by another color. The E and C at least, seem to have an outline.

Im wondering if its a blue outline to match whats on the car already. I searched all over the web and only picture I could find was this one. If I knew which race and year I would go thru the books I have to try and find another picture.
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PostPosted: Sun May 13, 2018 7:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

halfbreed999 wrote:
Firefly wrote:
halfbreed999 wrote:
Im guessing the lettering would be red like the rest. If anyone does these decals I would be in for a few sets.


Looking as closely as I can, it seems like the lettering might be two colors, like black doubled over or outlined by another color. The E and C at least, seem to have an outline.

Im wondering if its a blue outline to match whats on the car already. I searched all over the web and only picture I could find was this one. If I knew which race and year I would go thru the books I have to try and find another picture.


I don't think it necessarily was intended to match the Kar Kare colors. Could have been what ever colors the signpainter had. Might not even be the actual Everett logo. Everett is still in business, maybe they have an archive of old dealership photos(?)
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PostPosted: Mon May 14, 2018 3:04 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Was this from the same fleet? Just found it in my stash of old pics from the net. Looks like Dick Trickle but the paint scheme and font look similar?

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 4:51 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Mark, you got a pix of the whole car of Trickles?
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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 9:13 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

This is the only other one I could find, but I have thousands of images on my hard drive, so if I find another I'll post it. Don't know the origin of the photos or the car, for that matter. Just thought it was a cool pic.

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PostPosted: Tue May 15, 2018 9:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BVAUGHN wrote:
Mark, you got a pix of the whole car of Trickles?
Bill


By the way, did you get those '65 Plymouth pics I PM'ed you a while back?
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 3:46 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

found another pic of Bobby Isaac driving a Jr./Richard Howard car.
Don't know if this is GN East or what.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJR2ibJWsAEtMLI.jpg:large

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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 5:57 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Hey Mark
i did get those pix. I apoligise for not sending you a note thanking you for them. The Hurtibise car is high on my list to build. Has anyone head if Moebus is going to do a race version of the 65 Plym/ The Moebus body drops on the Lindberg 64 Petty Plym chassis with no modification but little expensive buying 2 kits to do one model.
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 7:17 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

BVAUGHN wrote:
Hey Mark
i did get those pix. I apoligise for not sending you a note thanking you for them. The Hurtibise car is high on my list to build. Has anyone head if Moebus is going to do a race version of the 65 Plym/ The Moebus body drops on the Lindberg 64 Petty Plym chassis with no modification but little expensive buying 2 kits to do one model.
Bill


Great! Just wanted to make sure you got them, as I sometimes experience "technical difficulties" with the internet... Wink
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PostPosted: Wed May 16, 2018 6:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

john843 wrote:
There's another picture out there somewhere that shows another of Jr.'s cars with just #1 on it (Mountain Dew car, I think) that was a backup that he had qualify and start the race at Riverside because of the tight points race. I wanted to remember that maybe Joe Millikan drove it but could be wrong on that. It must have been '81 or '82 (if he carried Dew sponsorship in '82)
There was a shot of it on here before the big crash but I haven't been able to locate it anywhere since then. If anybody knows what pic I'm talking about please link or post it if you could.

Thanks'
John

You may have been thinking of the Terry Labonte Piedmont Airlines Monte Carlo SS from Riverside, November 1984. It was a number 1 driven by Joe Millikan.
The Junior Johnson / Darrell Waltrip Mountain Dew Buicks Riverside back - up cars were driven by Richard Childress ( car # 41 - Nov. 1981 ) and J.D. McDuffie ( his car # 70 - Nov. 1982 ). Also note that the # 73 Mountain Dew Buicks & Monte Carlos were NOT Junior Johnson back - up Riverside cars. These cars were driven all season in 1981 - 82 - 83 by Winston West driver Bill Schmitt. His close alliance with Junior likely resulted in the Mountain Dew sponsorship.
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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 4:49 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks George, you are absolutely right- that was a Peidmont car I was thinking of. Also didn't know that the #73 wasn't a Jr. car.
You may be the person to ask about the #3 Isaac Chevelle that I linked above. The caption just said it was a Jr./Howard car but didn't go any further.
Apparently it wasn't uncommon for the top teams to sometimes "raid" the GN East series races when schedule and equipment availability allowed.

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PostPosted: Thu May 17, 2018 3:31 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I regret that my knowledge of the Grand National East series is sparse, though it would make sense that Cup teams would run some East races that didn't conflict with their Cup schedule. Remember that the first Winston Cup schedule was only 30 races, which left lots of spare weekends. I'm also guessing that smart promoters would pay appearance money to top Cup teams and / or drivers for the extra butts they may put in the seats.
Regarding Winston West driver Bill Schmitt and his # 73 cars : it was common knowledge he was well - connected with Junior Johnson. I recall when I was driving for Conway Western Express, seeing a plastic engine tub & lid on the dock; the " FROM: " was Valley Head Service in Northridge, CA.; the " TO: " was Bill Schmitt Racing in Redding,CA. The tub and lid also had JUNIOR JOHNSON & ASSOCIATES decals attached. Junior would often use West Coast speed shops and builders for special orders, knowing that the Charlotte area was full of spies !!! It's likely Bill served as a go - between, in addition to his renting JJ motors for the BIG races at Riverside & Ontario. Bill Schmitt also ran the Olds 442, Buick Regal, & Chevy Monte Carlo SS at the same time Junior Johnson was running same. He also started running the Thunderbird a year or so after Junior switched. It's possible some of Bill's cars were JJ - built but rejected by NASCAR Cup inspectors, but considered OK for Winston West.
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