Randy Ayers Nascar Modeling Forums

[Wood Brothers Junkie]

What odds do you guys give that Salvinos will be able to do the Mustang?

[DaveVan]

Until we get a Mustang I'll buy one Camaro to support them....but build a fleet I need a Mustang.

[martinfan]

It sounds like the Mustangs will be coming at the end of the year.

[bigryan18]

I'll believe it when I see it when it comes down to Ford & Toyota...

[TN Vols fan]

Why the doubt? Is there a licensing issue with Toyota and Ford? I never heard of Salvino's before returning to modeling after a fairly long hiatus.
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[jaws1972]

I've seen posts on Facebook, Salvinos is working on the rights to both Toyota and Ford bodies.

[DaveVan]

[TN Vols fan]

How many of the older Monogram Ford's have Salvinos issued??? Or how many vintage Ford's does Salvinos have on the drawing boards. From a outsiders POV it looks like they have no deal with FORD.

I will say from years of working in the model kit industry FORD is the easiest to deal with. Now sure what that means with Salvinos.[/quote]

Like I said, until returning to modeling after a long hiatus, I had never heard of Salvino's. I have no earthly idea how many old Monogram Ford kits they have released, nor how many vintage Ford kits are on their drawing board. A bunch I hope as I'm a died in the wool blue oval guy.
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[DaveVan]

Salvinos has only issued GM and Chrysler products.

[TN Vols fan]

[David Long]

They have only been in business about 4 years. Their back ground was the Petty's and STP. That's why Dodge/Chevy(GM) first. They are working with NASCAR, Toyota and Ford is next too come. We just need to be patient and good things will come for us Modelers.

[Lionpride]

Dave, you worked with the auto makers regarding model cars?

[DaveVan]

[Lionpride]

Cool stuff. Crazy that the automakers actually have time for us little model builders.

[Wood Brothers Junkie]

Salvino's have shown no interest in Fords so far, that is why I question them even doing a Ford. I have built Ford/Merc of the late 70's, those old resin bodies are out there to start over with.

[DaveVan]

[Danorace fan]

How about we just let them get the Camaro's out first.

[Pat Redmond]

[DaveVan]

WHAT hasn't changed since my last deal in late 1990's!!!!
But I know NASCAR wants the kits done......all 3 manufactures. But you still need OK from Ford and Toyota. Toyota will be the harder of the two. They are VERY protective of their brand. FORD wants stuff out there.....and even made the Revell Fusion's possible. Without FORD going to Revell we would have never had those kits.

And with my current work with Model King I know FORD is still the easiest of the car companies to work with. So if a FORD kit was a priority for any model company, it's possible.

[Joe Oteri]

Is there a reason why there's so much flash and fitment issues on a brand new, "high end," supposed to be, "Tamiya-like," $40+ kit?

Maybe I got the unicorn edition, but the body's twisted, floorpan's shaped like a banana, every single parting line is riddled with flash, especially the suspension arms and roll cage.

We're on season 4 of the Salvino show now, when's it going to get better with this company? It's so frustrating that their paid shills on Youtube and FB never say anything negative about their products, but we constantly look like the bad guys here calling out the issues.
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[DaveVan]

My kits are in transit....so no first hand. But I get in trouble a lot for being truthful. When I do get the kits.......
Thanks joe for your opinion.

[Pierre Rivard]

Looking at online "unboxing" videos this new kit looks like a vast improvement from previous offerings where they just "mailed it in" form a design standpoint.
But Tamiya-like? Let's not get carried away here...
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[DaveVan]

Mold tooling needs to be 'tuned' when run the first time. If there are kits with more flash than normal it may be a very early run made while they were fine tuning the tooling. Even after it is set up and running well, as the tool heats up, more tuning is made. So a kit with lots of flash can happen. FYI and a guess.

[Joe Oteri]

These unbuilt trees are from a roll out car I got on Ebay; The Elliott car I'm working on was just like this.

















I'm sorry, but for a kit of this price point and hype, you shouldn't need to clean up every single piece at every glue point. Flash and mold lines are bound to happen; we all know no kit is perfect, but this is just too much when you get down to it.
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[DaveVan]

I see your issues. Makes me wonder if this tooling was cut in aluminum or other soft metal rather than very costly nickel. The softer the metal the more issues with flash.

[Pierre Rivard]

Wow, that's a lot of flash for new tooling, and the part details do not look very crisp.
Currently working on a 917K Fujimi kit. Supposedly a cheap kit with old tooling but it's pretty good and certainly better than this.
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[Steve Salhany]

Huh, my new Salvino's kits don't have flash. I've opened two of them and there's none there. That's really strange. There are some mold lines but nothing like Joe's pics. My belly pan is straight as well.

I know that both Clay Kemp and Jay Savarese had some fitment issues with their builds but they got VERY early molds, like "the boxes hadn't yet been printed" runs. I have to start putting mine together to see if there are any fitment issues, maybe they tweaked the molds?

[Pat Redmond]

I had a bit of flash but NO warpage. I've opened 2 so far.
Joe, you got a Unicorn.
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[Tom M.]

The major flash on mine appears to be limited to the silver trees and based on my experience (designed and developed injection molded plastic parts for both domestic and offshore production, everything from huge electronic closure doors with consumer interface modules attached which were 21 lb. per part to tiny pieces for consumer products) they designed some of the suspension and bumper parts incorrectly. The parts are far too thick and the attachment to the trees is too small for proper filling. Those parts also should have been positioned nearer to the main gate that injects the plastic into the runners on the tree so the viscous plastic didn't have to flow as far to fill those thick parts. So to try and compensate for the shrinkage they pushed the injection pressure up excessively high which causes flashing near the gate where the pressure is the greatest. They may be running the mold a little cold too in order to be able to eject sooner and to minimize warpage as the tree cools. I've seen parts molded like that suffer extreme warpage later, if exposed to elevated temperatures after being molded and packed due to the heat allowing the molded in stresses created from cooling the parts in the mold to stress relieve and warp days or weeks after being removed from the mold. So one person's kit might not be warped but if someone gets a kit that was in the top of the truck all day on a hot sunny day it might have gotten hot enough to stress relieve. You would be surprised at how hot cargo can get inside a truck, I had movers pack and transport my household belongings from New Hampshire to South Carolina the last week of October last year. I had a little LED desktop thermometer with a history/memory function that I tossed into a tool chest drawer. When I unpacked and paired the thermometer with my phone the highest temperature it had been subjected to in the past 3 months was 114°F. That's getting close to where styrene will start to stress relieve and it wasn't packed tightly in a cardboard box in a truck that was in the Southwestern heat and sun.

[Steve Salhany]

I took a closer look at my kit last night and while I have nowhere near the flash that Joe's kit had, there's a little bit more than I thought, so my initial statement was not entirely correct. I don't have very much, however.

I painted the belly pan last night, it's extremely straight and some test fitting proved that. As I get further into it I'll see if the other parts need work. There are two mold lines on the front fenders of the body which I forgot to remove, I'll see if they still look prominent once I get decals on it.

The caveat as always is that while I'm an experienced builder I also am a casual one in that I just want the kit to look nice on the shelf so I don't get into smaller details. That means my standards aren't right for everyone.

[Tom M.]

[Steve Salhany]

[Tom M.]

[WR]

Just finished a chassis on one, it went together very smooth and looks great.

[Wild Bill 2]

[martinfan]

[hurricane21]

Just checked the Salvinos site. They have 2 more HMS cars and 2 Petty GMS cars. Does anyone who's plugged in with them know if these will be part of the kit of the month? I got my Napa and Hendrick Cars kits as part of the KotM but there was some confusion early on if these would be part of it. I assume they are but I'm not really sure.

[Pat Redmond]

[Joe Oteri]

It's a pigment not a dye so there won't be any bleedthru....

Well that was a lie.





Tamiya White primer like usual, all the talking heads said you wouldn't need to shoot silver prior...but here we are.
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[Dan Belcher]

I really like the ultimate finish that Tamiya white primer gives, but it takes a lot to get to that point. Even going over their gray primer, it still takes several coats if I'm trying to get a nice clean white finish.

[Joe Oteri]

I did this to help prove the point of just how ridiculous their molded in color bodies are. There's no need for this in 2022. The number one rule of painting is light to dark; why add this aggravating layer? MPC & RM did this for years and it sucked, what makes them think it's gonna work now?

These guys have the opportunity to help undo all the bad thing previous Nascar kits have had over the years...but here we are going backwards.

The teardrop roof camera is in the wrong place; it's too far to the right, the left roof rail isn't long enough, and only the tall spoiler is correct because the short one is molded in color when it's supposed to have clear on it too. All these little ticky-tack things add up.
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[Steve Salhany]

IIRC the teams are running both the colored spoiler and the spolier-with-clear on it this year, aren't they?

The short roof rail was on the CAD they got from Nascar themselves, Nascar changed that after SJR had the molds cut. Hard to blame them for that.

The one thing I did notice, and you've pointed this out before Joe, is that the attachment points on the clear parts are pretty thick. Most of them aren't a problem but the ones on the shark fin are, I broke mine trying to remove the clear support. Just a heads-up.

[Joe Oteri]

Both spoilers have lexan on them. The spoiler on the tree with the hood should've been with the clear parts. They're running the short one everywhere except for Daytona, Talladega, and Atlanta.

(It's a giant pic, the page will get to distorted if embedded.)

https://www.gannett-cdn.com/presto/2022/02/16/USAT/194a66bf-02d5-4250-b740-8fcedafc8f5e-logano.jpg
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[Steve Salhany]

Ah thanks, I didn't realize that.